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  Instructions To Elders Re: Pursuing Higher Education

  by baldeagle in

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  underlining is mine.. march 6, 2012 letter.

  pursue divine education:some of our brothers are pursuing higher education, feeling that they can acquire a measure of financial security.

  as you are aware, the educational system varies from country to country.

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  Bungi Bill

  frankiespeakin:

  -As I have often stated under different circumstances: - it's nothing a plus of gelignite wouldn't fix!

  Bill.
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  Harold Camping is Dead. Who now will issue Judgement Day predictions?

  by PaintedToeNail in

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  so, harold camping has died at the age of 92. no more end of the world predictions from him.

  he apparently went into hiding after his last predictions didn't come true..

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  Bungi Bill

  WMF,

  I know that this is digressing a little , but that Wikipedia article on Armstrong makes no mention of any connection with the JWs?

  Bill.
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  The " HIGHER EDUCATION" thread!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  alright.

  let's have the ultimate discussion on "higher education.

  " let's talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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  Bungi Bill

  education is not important because one can achieve anything one can set one's heart and mind on.

  More and more in the field that I work in, I see academic qualifications being placed ahead of practical experience and demonstrated ability. That is why I have recently gone to the trouble and expense of enrolling on the Advanced Diploma course. (Incidentally, when my father was the same age as I am now, he was getting ready to retire in 12 months time , rather than upskilling for another 5 - 10 years of work. But then again he wasn't one of that generation who were facing the "fact" that they were "never going to die in this system."!)

  Being just a busted-@ $ $ electrician - albeit one with extensive industry experience - was enough to get me into my present job. At that stage, all they were interested in was finding a person who could resolve the issues they were having with their emergency generators. To stay where I am, though, I am going to have to gain some formal qualifications that are acceptable to the Institute of Engineers.

  OTHERWISE: .......... I could be back replacing lightbulbs at the local meat processing plant!

  Bill.
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  Harold Camping is Dead. Who now will issue Judgement Day predictions?

  by PaintedToeNail in

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  so, harold camping has died at the age of 92. no more end of the world predictions from him.

  he apparently went into hiding after his last predictions didn't come true..

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  Bungi Bill

  Can't say I am exactly sorry to hear that news!

  Bill.
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  Instructions To Elders Re: Pursuing Higher Education

  by baldeagle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  underlining is mine.. march 6, 2012 letter.

  pursue divine education:some of our brothers are pursuing higher education, feeling that they can acquire a measure of financial security.

  as you are aware, the educational system varies from country to country.

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  Bungi Bill

  sir82,

  There is nothing like the "I have got mine, but you are not allowed to have yours" attitude, is there!

  Bill.
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  The " HIGHER EDUCATION" thread!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  alright.

  let's have the ultimate discussion on "higher education.

  " let's talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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  Bungi Bill

  The downside is the student loans. They are crushing me and have ruined my credit rating. Had I gone to university when I was young my life would be so much better now. I hate the religion for preventing me from doing that.

  There are certain limitations to the cliche "It is never too late".

  I would have liked to have attempted the four year Bachelor course. However, tackling that part time (as I would have to do), by the time I graduated it would have little or no impact on my career. (I would be happy enough to go on working in the engineering field until I was well into my seventies - but my wife has got other ideas that I need to consider!)

  Bill.
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  Instructions To Elders Re: Pursuing Higher Education

  by baldeagle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  underlining is mine.. march 6, 2012 letter.

  pursue divine education:some of our brothers are pursuing higher education, feeling that they can acquire a measure of financial security.

  as you are aware, the educational system varies from country to country.

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  Bungi Bill

  In this as in a lot of other JW matters, favoritism is revealed here.

  I personally know of one prominent elder who sent his son through the Bachelor of Engineering course as far back as the mid-1970s
  (when the WTS anti-education stance was particularly strong), yet still retained his position as an elder. Furthermore, the son, in his turn, was appointed as an elder not too many years later.

  I am not for a moment suggesting that this young man should not have gone to university. You could almost say he was a natural; he is certainly a highly regarded electrical engineer to this day.

  However, I often wonder how these two get on when "counselling" others in the congregation about the "evils of higher education." Do they feel compelled to regurgitate the party line (making them hypocrites), or do they secretely tell people "go for it, anyway"?

  Bill
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  The " HIGHER EDUCATION" thread!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  alright.

  let's have the ultimate discussion on "higher education.

  " let's talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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  Bungi Bill

  Narcissistic Supply,

  You just expressed my feelings totally, but without adhering to the forum guidelines as to language, that I felt constrained by!

  Bill.
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  The " HIGHER EDUCATION" thread!!!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  alright.

  let's have the ultimate discussion on "higher education.

  " let's talk about the good, the bad, and the ugly.

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  Bungi Bill

  Age:59

  Education:

  Left high school with what used to be called "University Entrance." Was selected by a large organisation as part of a group that they were prepared to sponsor through the Bachelor of Engineering course. That would have required one further year of high school. However, none of this ever happened, as the elders had some sway over my parents (non-JWs, but at that time were "studying" with a pioneer couple). Instead, I commenced an apprenticeship as a telecommincations technician.

  However, that, too wasn't good enough for the local elders, who made me abandon my apprenticeship after 12 months - to get set up for "the full time ministry."

  Fortunately, I was later able to take up my trade training again:

  - not exactly in the same field I had started out in, but at least in a trade with something in common.

  Formal Qualifications:

  (i) Licensed Electrician (The Australian States of Queensland ,Tasmania and South Australia - plus also Papua New Guinea and New Zealand)

  (ii) Certificate of Engineering (City & Guilds)

  These were enough to get me into the Electrical Testing side of the trade, which was the one that interested me the most. With the experience I then gained through working at the testing and commissioning of large power plants , I was later able to work my way into a senior management role. However - and this is a big however - that was only possible by electing to live in some violence prone Third World country:

  - the same position in Australia (or similar countries) would require at leasta Bachelor of Engineering degree.

  Work:

  Currently employed on a large mining site, looking after the High Voltage infrastructure. My previous industry experience was enough to get me the job. However, I am now having to gain formal engineering qualifications in order to retain it. Since August, I have been enrolled on an online course in engineering, which will lead to an Advanced Diploma, plus membership of the Institute of Engineers.

  The often-repeated, glib remark that it is "never too late" is true enough as far as it goes (I proved that by completing an adult apprenticeship as a married man with three young children). However, like most other glib statements, this one also does not quite go far enough! An adult apprenticeship was rough going, very hard on my family, and outright destructive on my marriage. The online course, too, after putting in (what is for me) a typical eleven hour workday does require, shall we say, certain sacrifices!

  To any young persons lurking here, don't do what I did. While it is possible to pick it up later, you are saving yourself a lot of grief by entering the degree course straight from high school.

  Bill

  PS: And #!^& the JW religion that takes on themselves to bash education and frighten their young peolpe of a college education !
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  DEC 2013 WT Article - Slave for Jehovah - warning: ranting ahead

  by ohnightdivine in

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  this morning's wt study almost made me vomit, stand up, pick up my bag and rush to the door.. of course it never happened.

  instead, i was able to make some nice drawings on my tablet and notepad.. if you replace the name jehovah with watchtower, or the governing 8 men, it would really make sense.. what's up with all that nonstop guilt-mongering about education and having a decent job?!.

  most people look down on the uneducated, and i remember, when i didn't have a job, nobody cared!.

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  Bungi Bill

  Billy the Ex-Bethelite,

  Thanks for posting that link. I haven't read a Watchtower in over 19 years, and I can see that I am not missing anything!

  (PS: The expression "They ought to be shot with a ball of their own $h!# comes to mind here!)

  Bill.